13 NOV 2026 · 🔴 LIVE Tuesday, November 10 at 2 PM Eastern
🎙️ Typical Skeptic Podcast #2890
**MKUltra & Two Personal Accounts | Cathy O’Brien and Dr. Juliette Engel**Cathy O’Brien went public with allegations of government-sponsored mind control and trafficking. Dr. Juliette Engel wrote about her own allegations of childhood abuse and went on to build an anti-trafficking network in Russia. Today, they join Robert Kalil live to talk about why they connect their experiences to MKUltra, what they want people to understand about their accounts, and what led them to speak publicly.**Cathy O’Brien** is an American author and speaker from Muskegon, Michigan. She is best known for *TRANCE Formation of America*, which she co-authored with Mark Phillips. In the book, O’Brien alleges that she was subjected to government-sponsored mind control and trafficking beginning in childhood, and describes what she says was Phillips’s role in helping her escape. Her allegations about her involvement in these programs remain unverified. Her later books include *Access Denied* and *PTSD: Time to Heal*.**Dr. Juliette Engel** is an American physician, author, and anti-trafficking advocate. A radiologist by training, Engel went to Russia to help improve maternity care and co-founded the Angel Coalition in 1999. The coalition built local “trust networks” among nonprofits, police, prosecutors, and other officials to help people facing trafficking, especially vulnerable teenage girls. It also established a Russian-language hotline and helped coordinate survivors’ safe return. Engel writes about her anti-trafficking work in *Angels Over Moscow* and recounts her allegations of childhood abuse and mind control in her memoir *Sparky*.We’ll talk about what the public record establishes about the CIA’s MKUltra program, what each guest points to in support of her personal account, and how Engel’s coalition turned a hotline call into practical help.**Guest websites**
Cathy O’Brien — https://trance-formation.com/
Dr. Juliette Engel — https://julietteengel.com/Join us live at **2 PM ET** and bring your questions for Cathy and Juliette.This episode discusses childhood abuse and human trafficking. The guests’ views are their own. Typical Skeptic Podcast is for education and entertainment and does not provide medical or financial advice.**Typical Skeptic Podcast™ — We go Deep, You Decide™**#TypicalSkepticPodcast #MKUltra #CathyOBrien #JulietteEngelGuest websites
- Cathy O’Brien — trance-formation.com · Books, interviews, and TRANCE Formation of America. Cathy O'Brien & Mark Phillips
- Dr. Juliette Engel — julietteengel.com · Author bio and books, including Sparky, Angels Over Moscow, and Moscow Traffic.What does the public record tell us about MKUltra, and how do two women who connect their own experiences to that history tell their stories?On Typical Skeptic Podcast #2890, Robert Kalil welcomes author and speaker Cathy O’Brien and physician and author Dr. Juliette Engel for a live conversation about their personal accounts, the evidence they point to, and what led each of them to speak publicly.Cathy discusses her allegations of government-sponsored mind control and trafficking, and what she wants readers to understand about the account she co-authored with Mark Phillips. Dr. Engel discusses her own account and her work co-founding the Angel Coalition, which brought together community organizations and public officials to help people facing trafficking in Russia.📅 Tuesday, November 10, 2026
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🎙️ Typical Skeptic Podcast #2890Join us live and bring your questions.This episode discusses childhood abuse and human trafficking. The guests’ views are their own, and their personal allegations are presented as their accounts. The show is for education and entertainment and does not provide medical or financial advice.#TypicalSkepticPodcast #MKUltra #CathyOBrien #JulietteEngel**WE GO DEEP, YOU DECIDE — ESTABLISHED 2019.** Support the show:PayPal: PayPal.me/typicalskepticmedia
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