16 OCT 2026 ยท The divine council worldview, the Book of Enoch, and the Elohim of the ancient Near East get a full walkthrough from Jeff, a former youth minister and college minister who spent 13 years in ministry before building a toy company around what he'd learned. Jeff traces his journey from a high school student's request for a study on angels and demons, to two weeks of searching through Jewish, Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Muslim traditions, to discovering Dr. Michael Heiser and The Unseen Realm. He breaks down Psalm 82, where God takes his place in the divine council and Elohim singular stands among Elohim plural, why Yahweh is "species unique," and why Baal, Zeus, Thor, and other gods look like the same figures rebranded across cultures. The conversation moves through Enoch, the eyewitness narrator of the story Jeff is writing and the figure later Christian tradition knows as Metatron, the scholar of heaven, then through the opening chapters of Genesis, including who Cain was afraid of and why Jeff reads Genesis as epic poetry. Jeff also shares the Chronicles of the Elohim action figures from Kaleo Legends, including Enoch, Yeshua, Mikha'el, Sama'el, and Azra'el, the glorified body design behind them, the 42 more figures he has planned, and the pre-Adam war among the Elohim that his story is built around.
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โขย ย ย ย ย Jeff spent 13 years as a youth minister and college minister, after a career as a concept artist and character designer in the game industry. When he left ministry he went back to art and took a prototyping job at Mezco, a job he loved, until he realized none of the toys they were making carried any real value for him. The toy he wanted to make didn't exist, and he had learned enough about the process to start his own company. ย
โขย ย ย ย ย The divine council started for Jeff with one of his best high school students, who walked into his office and asked for a study on angels and demons because nobody wanted to talk about them in depth. Jeff wasn't sure there was enough in the Bible to fill a month of lessons, so he asked for time and spent two weeks searching through ancient Jewish tradition, Catholic and Eastern Orthodox sources, and some Muslim traditions. ย
โขย ย ย ย ย He then found a podcast hosted by a Messianic Jew, where the guest was Dr. Michael Heiser. Jeff remembers thinking Heiser was either insane or onto something core he had never seen before. He spent the next couple of weeks buying The Unseen Realm and Heiser's angels and demons book, binging the Naked Bible podcast, and deciding that Heiser's understanding of ancient Hebrew, and of reading the text with the ancient Israelite in mind, was legitimate. He had grown up in the church, walked away for a while, and found that everything was the same when he came back. If there was a deeper layer, he wanted to know what it was, so he started studying Hebrew and teaching divine council worldview material at the church where he worked. ย
โขย ย ย ย ย Jeff gives a short version of the divine council worldview. In Psalm 82, God takes his place in the divine council and renders judgment among the gods, which puts Elohim singular in the presence of Elohim plural. That was a big problem for the monotheistic worldview, and Jeff says he is still monotheistic. In his view Yahweh sits at the head of the council and asks lesser Elohim to assist in creation, and while Yahweh is Elohim too, there are no Elohim like him. He is "species unique," and the Bible strips the lesser gods of his attributes, with some staying loyal and others rebelling, just like humanity. ย
โขย ย ย ย ย Jeff points to the creation account, where God says "let us make them in our image" and then the very next verse has God alone creating. The traditional church says that's the Trinity, but Jeff says that doesn't fit what Moses would have believed, who held what he calls the two Yahweh point of view, an ancient Jewish idea. He adds that Job describes the divine council present at the foundation of creation, singing and celebrating with God, which means the Elohim were created before the physical world. They aren't eternal like Yahweh, but they've been here since the opening days of creation. ย
โขย ย ย ย ย Rye asks whether the Elohim could be read as the gods of other pantheons. Jeff says yes, and uses Baal, the storm god tied to thunder and lightning, as the best example, then points out that Zeus and Thor fill the same role in other cultures. He believes these gods have been around a very long time and rebrand every century or so, resetting under new names once people figure out who they are and stop worshiping them. Jeff stresses that he's saying "likely," and expects a scholar somewhere may email him about it. Rye adds Anubis, the dog-headed guide to the underworld, plus Aztec and Mayan examples, and the idea that each of these gods may rule over an area with lesser gods under it. ย
โขย ย ย ย ย When Jeff and his team started designing characters around the divine council, they wanted the story told as an eyewitness testimony, like a biblical narrative. Enoch was the natural choice to be that eyewitness and co-host of the first story. In later Christian tradition Enoch becomes Metatron, the scholar of heaven, who observes all things and takes notes. Enoch and Yeshua are the two central protagonists, joined by Michael, Sama'el, and Azra'el. Sama'el is the antagonist who in later Jewish tradition is the serpent in the garden, the nahash, and Azra'el keeps the watchers and rebellious Elohim in Sheol and the abyss below it. Jeff uses the Hebrew names on purpose and admits some people won't know how to pronounce them. ย
โขย ย ย ย ย The story Jeff wants to tell first goes back before Adam, to the first several days of creation when the Creator makes the Elohim for a purpose. He wants to show what those Elohim were doing before humanity, and what a rebellion looks like when it's only gods fighting, some loyal to the one true God and some not. He is writing that story alongside the figures. He describes it as inspired by ancient Near East mythologies, drawing on ancient Judaism, Mesopotamia, Christianity, and Egypt, and says the percentages are flipped from Narnia or Lord of the Rings: about 85% biblical mythology with 15 to 20% fantasy wrapped around it. It is not a story to teach in Sunday school, he says, but one to enjoy. ย
โขย ย ย ย ย Jeff reads Genesis as epic poetry rather than eyewitness testimony, because Moses wrote it after the Exodus. That means there is a tremendous amount going on in the opening chapters that nobody has any way of knowing. He asks how long Adam and Eve were in the garden, and then asks about Cain, who after killing Abel says someone will kill him. Cain is one of the first six people the Bible tells us about, so who are the other people? Jeff's take is that it's possible God made more people but found favor with Adam, the same way he found favor with Noah, Moses, and Abraham and Sarah. Rye adds that he's heard Adam and Eve had many more children than Cain and Abel. ย
โขย ย ย ย ย The first five figures in the Chronicles of the Elohim line are Enoch, Yeshua, Michael, Sama'el, and Azra'el, with 42 more planned. Jeff built the design on Paul's idea of glorified bodies. A body that doesn't age or get hungry is close to immortal, so he made the armor the body itself, a second skin that flexes like the Winter Soldier's arm, which can be damaged but also replaced and repaired. The figures stand about seven to seven and a half inches tall. Next up are giants at 10 inches, with Gilgamesh the one Jeff most wants to make, then Valkyries, Egyptian and Greek gods with an elongated twist, and a Seraphim design that could be the most expensive toy he has ever worked on. ย
โขย ย ย ย ย The company name Kaleo is a Greek word meaning to be called or summoned by your god or gods, which fit how Jeff felt leaving Mezco. He started the company with his brother years ago, planning video games, and a trademark dispute with a company in China forced a rename, so he asked his brother if he was using Kaleo and took it. Jeff says there are no Christian toy companies making anything for older audiences beyond toddler figures, and that Tolkien and C.S. Lewis inspired him because they were bold enough to put their faith into a fantasy narrative. The balance is hard, because catering to Christians risks losing secular collectors and the reverse. The first five figures are up for pre-order at kaleolegends.toys to help finish production. ย
Best Line of the Night "These gods have been around for a very, very long time, they just rebrand every century or however long." Jeff, on why the same kinds of gods keep showing up in different pantheons.
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