In the first two portions of our interview with "Ball of Collusion" author and former Chief Assistant U.S. Attorney Andrew C. McCarthy, he and Greg Corombos discuss the origins of the probe and why Special Counsel Robert Mueller waited two years to issue a report despite there being no evidence of conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russian government.

In our new podcast, McCarthy details the meandering path of the supposed genesis of the investigation, including the various human sources used to incriminate Carter Page and George Papadopoulos.  The operatives were later identified as figures such as Alexander Downer, Stefan Halper, and Joseph Mifsud.

"Papadopoulos meets this shady, Maltese professor  known as Joseph Mifsud, who I think is probably the most interesting figure in this whole narrative.  And that's saying something, because there's some real winners in this narrative," said McCarthy.

Also in this podcast, McCarthy explains how the collusion narrative was falling apart from a lack of evidence before it really even got started in the summer of 2016.  But it was surprisingly revived by the hacking of DNC emails and Donald Trump's own behavior.