On this episode of Football 2 the MAX, Sean Garmer and Erik Watkins discuss the interesting Thursday Night Football battle with the New England Patriots holding on for a 19-14 victory. Certainly it's the end of the road for Nick Folk after missing three field goals? Do they carry the ultimate blame for the loss though? Should we be encouraged by the play of the Patriots defense in the game? Or was it just another Thursday night wonder. Not to mention, Doug Martin is back in style too.

After that, the guys discuss Cam Newton's error in speaking, and also the Los Angeles Chargers hire of Nick Novak.

Next, they discuss all of the games happening on Sunday and Monday, as they have their NFL Week 5 Preview. Can the Lions win at home against a rising Panthers squad? Who wins the battle of the 0-4 teams? And are the Green Bay Packers going to hand the Dallas Cowboys another loss? We discuss that and more.

Finally, the show ends with the College Football Pickem.