On the Sky News Daily podcast with Dermot Murnaghan, Australia and New Zealand's first female prime ministers discuss their journeys to the top and the hurdles still faced by some women.

Julia Gillard and Helen Clark join us on this episode as part of a special series looking at the impact women globally are making on society.

Daily podcast team:
Podcast producer - Annie Joyce
Podcast producer - Nicola Eyers
Podcast producer - Lauren Pinkney
Interviews producer - Tatiana Alderson
Archive - Simon Windsor
Archive - Rob Fellowes
Archive - Nelly Stefanova
Music - Steven Wheeler