Dr. Kate and Dr. Kacy interiview Dr. Amber Zimmerman, PhD., sleep researcher and elite runner. They talk all about Amber's approach to running and the "little things" that have turned in to big things. She is the 2022 Philadelphia Marathon winner and owner of PR's of 15:37 in the 5k and 2:31 in the marathon.

In this conversation, Amber discusses everything from her research on the genetic contribution to sleep and physchiatric disorders to how slowing down on easy runs have helped her make leaps and bounds in her improvements as a runner. She emphasizes the importance of recovery, particularly sleep, for getting the most out of your training and the most out of your body. She uses her own research and science background to provide some key tips on how to improve your sleep quality and quantity.

Amber already has her 2024 Olympic Trials Qualifier and is chasing the Olympic Standard for Paris. Her advice to runners seeking high performance: Don't talk yourself too seriously and eat the donuts.