Today, Fabio talks to Oscar Vilhena, a lawyer and political scientist who is the Dean of the FGV Law School in São Paulo, Brazil, which is the main basis for the Brazilian part of the PAL project. This conversation was intended to give readers a hint of what putting PAL research together has been like, but it was inevitable for Fabio and Oscar to engage in a deeper conversation about Brazil and Bolsonaro, at a time when COVID-19 hits their country very hard.