when you look at the average amount of time that your people have worked for you deem how how long is the average. We've got a few field guys have been over 15 years. We had some guys that have retired from us here within the last three to five years. I would say as far as you know it's hard to say an average you know you've got some guys when you're over 15 years and then of course you've got some guys that might have been new this year. New last year I know as far as office people go you know my my dad's been around over 40 years. I've been around over 25. The rest of our office project management type staff. Most of them have been here over ten years some over 15 Dean McHugh from McHugh excavating train. Yes there's a lot of different training opportunities here. Q First and foremost we do our own training in the winter. We'll have three or four different half day to day sessions.

We will concentrate on different things that are relevant to most positions in the company. So like proper chain down for moving equipment or maybe confined space you know being able to safely enter manholes and take air monitor readings and stuff like that so nobody's ever in danger. Those take. Trench safety you know be used properly utilizing trench foxes so that people would be protected from Keyvan. Those are the kind of things that will train in the winter first aid type stuff more generic things that apply at all jobs. Q executing it provides that training to our own employees. In addition to that the two unions have training centers and a lot of our guys will end up going to the training centers if they have any layoff time in the winter for specific classes. For example the laborers will have a grade reading class or a pipeline class. You know the operators may have a class on running excavator running at doughs or things like that. So you know so there is ongoing training. Once people are in those positions but a lot of times people say hey you know what everybody wants experience. How do I get experience. Nobody will hire me. And our answer to that is we have a lot of different positions where a person can start out. A lot of times running one of our gumdrops might be an entry level position. There's a lot of guys here that started running a dump truck and then at some point decide they want to do something different and we're forgoing an opportunity to go into something different. We hire some guys right off the street that

don't have any industry experience. In fact we just hired one here about a month and a half ago. A younger fellow early 20s he has some experience building houses and doing some other somewhat construction related stuff but not earthwork or pipe stuff just a good hard working kid and we thought it's been good and. We put them into Labor's apprenticeship program. So he'll be in the next four years he will. He starts out. On an entry level apprentice type rate. He'll step up over the next four years to. Become a full journeyman in the.

Laborers Union. But in the meantime he'll get about 100 hours of schooling. Each winter. The Laborers Training Center so he's got some. On the job learning. And some. Will learning. As. He learns himself into a trade that should provide him a good living and a good retirement when he's done.