Pia Andrews (recently married, you probably know her as Pia Waugh, @piawaugh)  is a deep thinker, a deliciously cohesive speaker and one of the most active and effective people we have ever met when it comes to making changes in how governments work.

Mike and Pia discuss her work in various parts of the Australian Government, the recent challenges therein, and how she is now (openly) working on Government As A Platform (GaaP) within the Lab+ team within DIA for us Kiwis. We also find out why she believes NZ is in a much better position for true change than many other countries.

We also touch on the 'why' she does all this amazing open civic-focussed work.

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Mike Riversdale (@MiramarMike) background is explaining stuff, connecting people and getting things done. Raj Khushal (@nzRaj) background is in video, design, media and making things happen.

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