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BT 13: Guadalcanal and The Siege of AR-558
Oct 10, 2019 ·
1h 47m 2s
BackTrekking returns again to look back at the real-world inspirations of classic Trek episodes! Starfleet is nominally a military organization (the ranks and uniforms give it away) but the heroes...
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BackTrekking returns again to look back at the real-world inspirations of classic Trek episodes!
Starfleet is nominally a military organization (the ranks and uniforms give it away) but the heroes of your favorite Star Trek series tend to do more exploring than soldiering and attend more string concertos than memorial services. But what if you take away the holodecks and chocolate sundaes and thrust the shiny, happy people of the Federation into a kill-or-be-killed scenario on a bare and worthless scrap of rock? Will their enlightened principles die before they do?
That's the question "The Siege of AR-558" asks. and in doing so it references real-life battles like Guadalcanal in WWII and films based on them, like "The Thin Red Line" and "Hell is for Heroes". Trek has ever been a commentary on the present, rather than the future, and in this episode and the last season of DS9, the Federation, like 20th and 21st century America, sees itself being torn between its non-interventionist ideals and its desire to remake the world in its image.
We once again go long on this episode, trying to contain the epic scope of the War in the Pacific and the War in the Alpha Quadrant. We discuss the historical battle of Guadalcanal, the confident filmmaking of Terrence Malick and the 20-year road that led to "The Thin Red Line", the amazing amount of material that DIDN'T make it into the film, letting chaos be your commentary, bringing darkness and real stakes to the Star Trek universe, pathos vs. bathos, making EVERYTHING a character, depicting disability in Star Trek, and how Nog was a better Wesley Crusher.
We also talk about Vin Diesel impressions, Shakespeare robbing everyone at the Oscars, Casey Jones, blowing your butt off, John Savage, the Bob Newhart phone bit, killing Will Robinson, transporters and the Geneva Convention, Kal shares his nightmare tale of seeing "Thin Red Line" in the theater, and Gooey wonders "Oh, my God . . . what is a good movie?"
This episode is dedicated to Aron Eisenberg.
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Theme: Disco Medusae Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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Starfleet is nominally a military organization (the ranks and uniforms give it away) but the heroes of your favorite Star Trek series tend to do more exploring than soldiering and attend more string concertos than memorial services. But what if you take away the holodecks and chocolate sundaes and thrust the shiny, happy people of the Federation into a kill-or-be-killed scenario on a bare and worthless scrap of rock? Will their enlightened principles die before they do?
That's the question "The Siege of AR-558" asks. and in doing so it references real-life battles like Guadalcanal in WWII and films based on them, like "The Thin Red Line" and "Hell is for Heroes". Trek has ever been a commentary on the present, rather than the future, and in this episode and the last season of DS9, the Federation, like 20th and 21st century America, sees itself being torn between its non-interventionist ideals and its desire to remake the world in its image.
We once again go long on this episode, trying to contain the epic scope of the War in the Pacific and the War in the Alpha Quadrant. We discuss the historical battle of Guadalcanal, the confident filmmaking of Terrence Malick and the 20-year road that led to "The Thin Red Line", the amazing amount of material that DIDN'T make it into the film, letting chaos be your commentary, bringing darkness and real stakes to the Star Trek universe, pathos vs. bathos, making EVERYTHING a character, depicting disability in Star Trek, and how Nog was a better Wesley Crusher.
We also talk about Vin Diesel impressions, Shakespeare robbing everyone at the Oscars, Casey Jones, blowing your butt off, John Savage, the Bob Newhart phone bit, killing Will Robinson, transporters and the Geneva Convention, Kal shares his nightmare tale of seeing "Thin Red Line" in the theater, and Gooey wonders "Oh, my God . . . what is a good movie?"
This episode is dedicated to Aron Eisenberg.
Vote in our poll to chose the next episode we talk about!
https://twitter.com/BackTrekking/status/1180737156425191425
Hop in to the Just Enough Trope Discord!
https://discord.gg/EAx5VGX
Tweet at the show or your hosts with your suggestions for future episodes!
http://www.twitter.com/backtrekking
http://www.twitter.com/ka1iban
http://www.twitter.com/gooeyfame
Check out the other shows on the Just Enough Trope network!
http://www.justenoughtrope.com
Theme: Disco Medusae Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 3.0 License
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
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