Yesterday, in a special Indian Air Force aircraft, India evacuated a total of 130 diplomats and around 20 Indians who were stranded in Afghanistan. In this flight was also Indian Express’ Associate Editor Shubhajit Roy who had been reporting from Kabul about the ongoing Afghan crisis.

In this episode, Shubhajit joins us to talk about his time in Kabul, and what he saw unfolding. Plus, we also discuss the statements that have been made by the US, Pakistan, China and India about the crisis so far and how we should make sense of them.