[Stefan Schubert-Peters](https://www.linkedin.com/in/stefan-schubert-peters/) was my first ever manager in Germany. Stefan has made the journey working as a programmer into becoming a product manager and finally now a Head of Product. He's a sharp analytical mind that has spent a lot of time thinking about product development. In this podcast it's my pleasure to talk to him regarding the roles of the software engineer, the product manager and the manager. About how they work together to create products and he's thoughts on what's important in that process.


## Episode Content

00:00 - Introduction
04:00 - Where did the interest in product development come from?
07:00 - Tech vs Product in the organization
14:13 - Complexity of product development now and in the past.
19:29 - What trait is needed to create
24:10 - Working in product and entrepeneurship
27:43 - What's important for the product manager's role?
35:00 - The Manager's role
41:40 - What's the right mindset?
46:50 - Principles
53:45 - Adaptability
57:00 - The tools of the Product Manager
1:00:00 - De-risking
1:04:50 - Deciding what's valuable
1:09:00 - The IPod
1:18:00 - What's a good software engineer?
1:27:00 - Engineers should be leaders
1:29:50 - Time to think

## Books Mentioned

Marty Kagan - [Inspired] (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35249663-inspired)
Ash Maurya - [Running Lean] (https://www.amazon.com/Running-Lean-Iterate-Plan-Works/dp/1449305172)
Peter Thiel - [Zero to One] (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18050143-zero-to-one)