In this episode, we spend a lot of time in the woods. Plus, Israel meets someone new; and learns to adapt and evolve his methodologies.

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Written, researched, edited, and produced by Josh Hallmark

Featuring: Dr. Katherine Ramsland

Music by William Hellfire, Lee Rosevere, Radical Face, LeBon, and Cloud Jumper.