Ex-England rugby captain Dylan Hartley joins James to talk about leadership, the 'power of words', what makes a great captain and dubious player hygiene.Dylan's book, The Hurt, is out now in all good bookshops. Follow Dylan on Instagram or Twitter @dylanhartley.You can also order James' book What A Flanker in hardback, audiobook and ebook. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.