Dr. Saran Heron talks with Dr. Marcia Chang Vogl, an ordained minister and the Director of Bethany Projects with Hidden With Christ Ministries. She creates and implements workshops for groups of five to fifty people concerning spiritual issues. She leads prayer meetings, seminars, and retreats (by invitation), in addition to private prayer counseling sessions regularly. She is a former public-school teacher and a college mentor. She is an author and her articles and devotionals have been published in Christiandevotions.us online magazine, Purpose Magazine, a Menno Media publication, and The Secret Place, Judson Press. She shares about grief, discuss ways to deal with grief, how to move forward and rise.