"Don't get angry, get organised."

He might be the Deputy General Secretary and Director of Communications and Research at Prospect, he may have been President of the NUS. he might be a trustee of Stonewall and may be a non-executive director at one of the UK’s largest community housing associations, you might even find him on Newsnight and ‘Reasons to be Cheerful’, but it’s his prestigious position as Head of PR for the British Kebab Awards which is what Kenneth and James really want to hear about.

Indeed, it’s the world’s most expensive kebab which our guest Andrew Pakes graciously opens with, before we get into finding your tribe, bringing people together, the influence of family and campaigning for change. We talk good communications, the essence of flexible working and the death of the office. We embrace work, rest and play, gifting your employers and inviting your boss for dinner before we get a tour of Kenneth’s library and hear how James is on the run from Jane.

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