On this first episode of The Second Transition, Phil talks with the inspirational Elin Kelsey, author of "Hope Matters: Why Changing the Way We Think Is Critical to Solving the Environmental Crisis." Phil and Elin discuss moving from an empty hope to evidence-based hope. We talk about "hopepunk", a new vision for making change, with a cameo by sci-fi author Alexandra Rowland, who coined the term. Elin and I also talk about vision and making change "crave-worthy." Finally, we talk about the many amazing ways that youth are reimaginging social action.

You can follow Elin Kelsey on Twitter: @elinkelsey