"Making a dent in the universe"

James’ ninth meeting of the day turned out to be the best as the boys sat down with Charmaine Griffiths, that’s Dr Charmaine Griffiths - CEO of the British Heart Foundation.

We talk about going back to your old company, returning your leaving present and getting down to the business of steering an organisation through the biggest global crisis in modern times. There’s the art of applying scientific principles to your work, having a curiosity about the wider world and the lifeline of a whatsapp group.

Kenneth stokes some healthy competition with a former guest, James wonders about the fiercest rivalries in charity and Charmaine makes her case for the finest in the land. There’s identifying priorities, flexible working, continuous learning, setting boundaries and ultimately making your mark on the universe.

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