Do we need capitalism before socialism? The origins of this debate go back a long time, but in the South African context they were taking place in the 1980s, when Trevor Ngwane was an organizer working for the end of apartheid along with millions of other South Africans. Capitalism and socialism are perhaps misunderstood by the current forces controling South Africa.

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Time Stamps:
00:00 - "Just call me Margaret Thatcher"
01:40 - Introduction
03:09 - Growing up in KZN
04:51 - Buthelezi's role
07:05 - Trevor's parents and liberation theology
13:25 - Early life under apartheid
17:24 - student organising
22:41 - Joburg, Marxism and the Group Areas Act
27:26 - Final years of Apartheid
33:22 - Worker-led or two stages struggle?
40:25 - Berlin Wall, SACP and ANC
45:00 - Contradictions of the revolution
48:27 - Revolutionary Neoliberalism?
54:30 - ANC as Apartheid's partner and adversary
1:01:15 - Privatisation Undermining Development
1:15:54 - ESKOM example
1:20:05 - Bourgeois ANC, Political alternatives, the struggle continues