Jacob Helberg (@jacobhelberg), senior advisor at Stanford Cyber, adjunct fellow at CSIS, and formerly of Google, joins Erik on this episode.

They discuss:

- The competition between the US and China.

- The biggest misconceptions that people have about China.

- Common disagreements or unanswered questions about the competition between the two countries.

- Why the principle that as countries become richer they also become freer didn’t pan out in China.

- What to do about TikTok.

- Possibilities for re-shoring and how different tech companies might be affected.

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