Leah Helbling is a close friend of Humanize Me and a member of the team at the humanist community Cincinnati Caravan with Bart Campolo.

In this episode, the two chat about Leah's instinct to attempt to 'deconvert' those who are questioning their faith, and Bart's belief that many people are better off staying where they are. The friendly disagreement started when Bart answered a question in Episode 504 from a listener called Craig who found himself in that position.

Along the way, the conversation addresses some of the harm done by religion, Leah's sense of shame in her past as an evangelical woman, the kinds of Christianity available and how different they are from each other, how the length of time since deconversion can affect one's approach, the merits or otherwise of 'accommodating' Christianity, the idea that there is one best way to live or to be, to meddle or not to meddle, the difference between meddling and listening, and in what circumstances someone can know what's in somebody else's best interests.

Listen to Leah's own podcast, Women Beyond Faith, on Stitcher.

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