You can be forgiven for not being familiar with 'pyrotheology', the lifelong philosophy project of Peter Rollins.

In this episode of Humanize Me, Bart Campolo attempts a philosophical deep dive with Pete, a friend of the podcast for years. It’s a very lively, argumentative conversation on the differences between Bart and Pete on human drive and desire, humanism, religion, death, meaning and meaninglessness.

Along the way, the pair touch on dialectics, human evolution, dual instincts, psychoanalysis, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, ontological antagonism, fundamentalism and the death of God.

We recommend Pete's podcast, The Fundamentalists, where he lays out his ideas to the keen interest of his friend, the comedian Elliott Morgan. For more on pyrotheology and everything Pete, go to PeterRollins.com.

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