I talk to Mark Stavish, Director of the Institute of Hermetic Studies, about the state of magic in 2020. We get into some intriguing discussions about discernment, initiation and actuality versus utopian ideals.. in other words, some pretty challenging topics in what turned out to be a fascinating discussion.

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Visit the Institute of Hermetic Studies at http://hermeticinstitute.org/ where you will find details of its courses and study materials as well as links to Mark's books and other resources.

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