Jacob Kaplan-Moss is a veteran software leader and the co-creator of Django, the python web framework that powers Pinterest, Eventbrite, and Instagram. In addition to authoring the book, The Definitive Guide to Django, Jacob has also led teams at 18F and Heroku. Today, Jacob is considered one of the foremost experts on hiring for software teams that are in that “adolescent” phase between start-up and scale-up.

Today’s episode is the first of a two-part interview that we did with Jacob. In today’s interview, we discuss ways that we can reduce bias in our hiring process and how the Satir Change Model can help us navigate the challenges associated with rapid growth without losing our minds. Special Guest: Jacob Kaplan-Moss.