So many corners of the internet still believe that carbs are evil - and it can feel like the arguments are valid, like there is some conspiracy against them. Carbs stimulate insulin, insulin causes fat gain, so carbs must be avoided at all cost - and as a result carbs are driving the obesity epidemic. We break down this argument, look at prominent researchers and practitioners like Zoe Harcombe and Robert H. Lustig that are proponents of such narratives and the claims they make, and explore the wider argument. We also discuss how to challenge these beliefs, where and when people's minds can't be changed and how to tactfully use Socratic questioning to help the other person realise their arguments faults. This show is practical, but also science dense, have a notebook at the ready....