We chat with aurynn shaw (@aurynn / http://eiara.nz/), part 2 of a chat we had months ago – The Default Human - as the team talk about devops in organisations, the cultural as well as the technical aspects, and how change can occur – for the right reasons.

aurynn shares a story of how Devs can have a “we're better than you” mentality much like sports rivalry which isn’t important and then introduces us to “Engineers disease” – which is a conversation for another podcast.

Anna (@where_is_anna) from PledgeMe is also back to give us an update on the amazing things happening on the site.

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Mike Riversdale (@MiramarMike) background is explaining stuff, connecting people and getting things done. Raj Khushal (@nzRaj) background is in video, design, media and making things happen.

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