Lee & Josh are joined by Sean Wilson for a chat about just what exactly has gone wrong in South Africa, who's fault is it and how are they going to fix it? Some dive-shaming and wistful reflection on what it means for the game; andt here's also the usual round up of the weekend, new depths of farce in the Cuthbert-Plisson Cup than you could possibly fathom and more from our legendary ratings system.Support this show http://supporter.acast.com/bloodandmudrugby. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.