In Episode 22, Liam and Matt interview Rob Schwalb about his magnum opus, the runaway success RPG Shadow of the Demon Lord (SOTDL). Rob has also worked full-time on both WFRP and D&D and is the creator of A Song of Ice and Fire RPG, amongst many, many other projects. Be warned that this show has reached a new high in the amount of swearing, so if that might offend you, you might want to give this one a miss...

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