We've all experienced a class or training and thought, "I just devoted seconds and neurons to... that??" But it turns out, there are ways to make those necessities engaging...

Guest: Dr. Susanne Bahn -- tapintosafety.com.au

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Disclaimer: Shane, From the Shadows podcast
Art: Erin Schwartz
Music: Jake Pierle -- https://jakepierle.bandcamp.com/

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