This is grief, and vulnerability, and hurt, with a side of rage. If you can't listen due to your own emotions, that's totally fine and understandable. But it's a way to bear witness to two much-loved men and the daughters they left behind.

Guest: Ariel, Malice podcast

Disclaimer: Isaac (Kate's son)
Art: Michael Furman (Ariel's dad)
Music: Jake Pierle -- https://jakepierle.bandcamp.com/

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