19 JUN 2026 · Greg and Tonya sit down and immediately start laughing about their cluttered house, messy closets, and how hosting Bible study forced them to clean up. But the conversation quickly turns serious as they wrestle with what real rebirth looks like — for their church, for our country, and for us personally.
They dig into Juneteenth, the Civil War, Lincoln’s call for national prayer and fasting, Stonewall Jackson’s surprising story, and how God sometimes removes even godly leaders to accomplish His purposes. From Philippians 2 humility to the danger of thinking we know better than God, they explore why anger and division keep growing and what it takes to get back to unity.
If you’ve felt discouraged by the news, politics, or the feeling that everything is falling apart, this episode will challenge and encourage you. Come listen as Greg and Tonya remind us that only God can truly heal and rebuild.
CHAPTERS
00:00:14 - House Clutter, Kids, and Forced Cleaning
00:02:13 - VBS Plans and Rebuilding Church Life
00:04:22 - Church Life Cycles and National Rebirth
00:05:27 - Juneteenth, Civil War, and Lincoln’s Prayer
00:15:01 - Trusting God Over Politics and Human Plans
00:24:02 - Philippians 2, Humility, and Working Out Salvation
00:35:18 - Higher Ideals, Anger, and Unity in Christ
00:37:55 - Joshua’s Warning: Don’t Forget God