this interview, Kerry Lutz and Joseph Reinke discussed the challenges of investing in an uncertain economic climate and the importance of managing risk and setting realistic goals. They emphasized the need to focus on increasing assets and debt over time while prioritizing short-term goals such as paying off debt or saving for a down payment on a house. The concept of human capital was also discussed, and Reinke's algorithms were highlighted as a tool to quantify the risk associated with different income streams and educational investments. The importance of education and its impact on financial stability was also explored, with a focus on the potential return on investment for courses and degrees. The value of learning basic information and pursuing non-traditional education paths was also emphasized, highlighting the benefits of exploring alternative education paths and learning new skills to increase opportunities and income.