How often do you get a chance to hear two people from the trades talk about the importance of the early years. Have a listen as Tim Carson and Shaun Moore celebrate the importance of 'loose parts' play spaces in the early years as a way of unleashing your inner tradesperson!

Shaun Moore is a dad, a Registered Early Childhood Educator, a Child and Youth care graduate, and is currently working toward his Forest Practitioner certificate. Currently Shaun works at an Early On Centre in southwestern Ontario.

Shaun worked in residential construction before entering the ECE field as a single parent. The challenges and triumphs working through behaviours and learning experiences with his own children set the stage as inspiration to this amazing career change.


Tim Carson is a Red Seal Endorsed Plumber, Gas Class A gasfitter, and as a Masters degree in Leadership.

Tim grew up in a Trades Family (both his Dad and Mom were in the skilled trades). Tim says he managed to avoid getting into trades for his early twenties but then says he saw the light. He started his apprenticeship at 29, worked in the commercial/institutional plumbing/heating world before having the privilege of transitioning into education at BCIT where he taught for 13 years. Tim now works with BCcampus managing projects that aim at providing resources for apprentices and trades faculty at little to no cost (Open Educational Resources).