This episode, we discuss what it means to "perfect" something in the creative process. What is "mastery"? Can it be achieved? How is it objective or subjective? All that good stuff. We also talk with Emma Watson who covered the band Rinse Dream and gives us some fun insights. Lastly, you can enjoy some thoughts from our friends. :) <3 Rinse Dream is a Vancouver punk project that utilizes experimental sampling in their music. Listen to their album SPACES on BandCamp or other streaming services. The band was featured in Discorder's June/July 2023 issue.