Our third guest interview. Kyle Kuypers is a friend/co-worker of Shawn and a generally eclectic individual who is passionate about Mythology, Story Telling, Dungeons & Dragons, and he co-hosts a fan podcast about the TV series Vanderpump Rules. We talk about Hero’s Journey, the flawed, “very human” Norse Gods. Kyle explains the history of Dungeons & Dragons, the table top role playing game which combines board gaming, war gaming, and story telling, along with its creator, Gary Gygax. How does Role Playing a character or leading a group of players compare to composing and performing Norse Skaldic Poetry? How would a character like Loki play out in a game of D&D? Kyle/Shawn at the end accomplish the impossible and make a very loose connection on the subject matter of both podcasts, Vanderpump Rules and Norse Mythology, in what can be considered the win of the century so far for both of them. It’s a fun conversation and a topic we might have to come back to again. Ways to tell modern stories and how Norse Mythology can inspire creativity. Kyle’s podcast Pump Talk: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pump-talk-a-consideration-of-vanderpump-rules/id1330715401 Twitter: @TalkPump - Let Kyle know if you are listening to Between Two Ravens and also watch Vanderpump Rules. David’s Walled Garden article on Albert Ellis, Stoicism, and CBT. (https://thewalledgarden.com/post/albert-ellis-cbt-stoicism)  David’s Recommendations for how to get into D&D: Watch Terry Crews play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IrM0zoDuSo Learn from Questing Beast about Old School Revival of D&D and easier to play rule sets. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRVJNkOObIU KNAVE rule set: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtf3vDycfmE    3. Watch some other expert dungeon masters show how to take what’s fun from D&D and throw out the rest: Professor Dungeon Master: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uqyYZAh1K0 Rune Hammer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDMmGv-NPbA&list=PLlSmiQ728Xr2Pf3pGa3s6-zhhqpiw7hj_&index=12 Ways to support us: Like, Subscribe, Give us a 5 star review! Share Our Podcast Website: https://tworavenpodcast.wordpress.com/ David’s Writing - Prosoche Project (www.prosocheproject.com) Twitter: @ProsocheProject Follow us on Twitter (@TwoRavenPodcast): https://twitter.com/TwoRavenPodcast Follow us on Instagram (@BetweenTwoRavens): https://www.instagram.com/betweentworavens/ Donate to buy Shawn a beer or help cover our hosting costs: https://tworavenpodcast.wordpress.com/donation/ Support the show Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices