This episode I have the great pleasure of doing a two person interview with Javier Peña and Steve Murphy. These two DEA special agents were assigned as the lead investigators targeting Pablo Escobar and his Medellin Cartel.

These true American heroes provide a firsthand lesson in history as they discuss with me the reference bringing down the world's first Narco terrorist, the challenges they face and oftentimes hostile and life threatening environments and also what they felt the day they discovered the polis we're having killed on that rooftop.

We also discussed their book “Manhunters: How We Took Down Pablo Escobar”, the Netflix phenomenon, Narcos, which is based on their time in Colombia, and we discussed what they're doing now.

It was such an honor and great pleasure speaking with both of them, and now I give you Javier Peña and Steve Murphy.