Kaitlin engages in a heartfelt conversation with Lin, a first-generation Palestinian American. The episode explores themes of empathy, genuine kindness, and the importance of being a compassionate witness.

Lin shares her personal journey, revealing the challenges she faced, including post-9/11 experiences and the internal struggle of identity concealment. Lin challenges stereotypes and emphasizes the need for honest intentions and meaningful action in fostering understanding. The conversation touches on the ongoing disaster in Gaza, highlighting the impact of media narratives, the complexity of identities, and the call for collective empathy and humanity during these times.


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Quotes
"How do we let people know that we love and support them while they are grieving?"

"Actively seek out Palestinian creators and learn from their experiences."

"Listen, learn, and lead with empathy and openness."

"I was deeply drawn into your passion and your hunger for Humanity."

"I promised myself that after everything that's happened to the Palestinian Community, I would never hide my identity again."

"I realized I was being othered, I was never gonna belong with the collective."

"We're all pawns in a much larger game."

"I want action behind that. I want you genuinely to feel what you're saying."

"Kindness is empathy. It's saying, 'I believe your experience.'"

"If I tell you, 'Hey, a child was murdered in the conflict,' and they ask you 'from which group?' We've lost it all, we have no human connection anymore."

"People are not their governments. We're all pawns in a much larger game. This is a moment where we need to just take a second and recognize this is not the fault of Jewish people, this is not the fault of Palestinian people. This is the fault of irresponsible corrupt, money-hungry, greedy, power-hungry governments."

"Nobody wants to see it, but when we talk about the hate that is happening for people who support Palestine, I just challenge everyone to understand that we don't have a word. Islamophobia does not, first of all, it stems in the word phobia, which means fear of not hate too.""

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