Engaging men who use violence in conversations about change is a critical first step to sustainable attitudinal and behaviour change. Engaging men who use violence: Invitational narrative approaches, a research report from ANROWS, explores how invitational narrative approaches use stories to challenge minimisation, denial or apathy towards the use of violence against women and children. Invitational narrative practice engages perpetrators in an emotional journey, supporting them to take responsibility for their behaviours by discovering their core values and relationship ideals. In this episode, members of the research team Professor Sarah Wendt (Flinders University), Dr Kate Seymour (Flinders University), and Chris Dolman (Emerging Minds and Uniting Communities) sit down with Michele Robinson, Director, Evidence to Action (ANROWS) to discuss what invitational narrative practice is, how shame and "ethical preferences" play an important role in this technique, and discuss how to evaluate the effectiveness of this work. This interview was recorded on the traditional Country of the Kaurna people of the Adelaide Plains. Insights: the ANROWS podcast is part of ANROWS's commitment to disseminating and supporting the application of the evidence base that addresses violence against women and their children in Australia. CONTENT NOTE: This podcast episode includes discussion of violence which some may find confronting or distressing. Recommended support services include: 1800 RESPECT - 1800 737 732 and Lifeline - 13 11 14. This podcast episode also contains explicit language.