"Love was the thing that would change the course of the AIDS epidemic."

We start with the comparison of two back catalogues before introducing our guest, the CEO of the Elton John AIDS Foundation. Anne Aslett tells us how she started as a volunteer with a bold idea for a new fundraising venture before spending twenty years with the organisation and becoming CEO of the Foundation which has saved the lives of over five million of the most marginalised people in the world.

We talk problem-solving, imposter syndrome and two moments which had a profound impact on Anne's life. There's unconventional innovation programmes, fighting stigma and promoting testing. There's a brief comparison of to-do lists, working collaboratively and who to ask for the quickest route to Oxford Circus. There's just time for Kenneth to lament his shoe size and for James to consider his wardrobe before we discover the real Cinderella.

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