Sometimes our podcast episodes are born out of careful planning and deliberation- and sometimes the stinger of one episode shift into a whole new conversation and we're recording a new episode (while continuously saying we just want to make one more point, then we'll stop.)

At the end of a different episode we got into a discussion of how we can talk about topics that have become the targets of attacks and hate, and it turned into a new episode all of its own. We're a bit punchy, but hopefully that just adds some humor to a serious subject.

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And don't forget to check out our week by week coverage of Star Wars: Andor, starting with a no spoilers primer episode this Wednesday at 8:30 pm, and continuing till the last episode airs. Live stream on twitch.tv/zenmadman and episodes will go up Thursday mornings on the Star Wars Universe Podcast.

The book Paul mentioned is called Shijak: To Begin: A Modern Martial Arts Story, by Kathryn Yang. Find it here - https://bookshop.org/books/shijak-to-begin-a-modern-martial-arts-story/9781735673912