In this bonus episode, we talk with the four developers behind indie legend Dwarf Fortress and brilliant roguelike Caves of Qud (which was, itself, inspired by Dwarf Fortress!).

In an hour-long conversation, Dwarf Fortress's Tarn & Zach Adams and Caves of Qud's Jason Grinblat and Brian Bucklew discuss:

• How they each tackle simulating their game worlds
• Making procedural generation actually produce meaningful stories
• Being surprised by what their own games could do
• Their thoughts on current AI tools like ChatGPT, and how they differ from their own procedural generation systems
• The Sims