I'm really excited to be sharing this conversation today. It was such an honor to connect with Derwin Gray, former NFL player and Lead Pastor of Transformation Church, a multiethnic, multigenerational, mission-shaped community in Indian Land, SC.Not only is this a timely episode with it being Election Week in the U.S., but this episode just brought life to my soul and reminders of the mission we're all actually on. Derwin truly is one of the most grounded, thoughtful, and balanced leaders I've met.In today's episode, he shares his thoughts about measuring success in a ministry, how we should be leading through this year's election, why he applies so much energy and thought into Generation Z, and why traditional evangelicalism is being challenged, pushed, and reshaped.This is a good one. It's a must-listen this week. And it's definitely a conversation starter with your leadership and friends in ministry.- DaleCheck out the show notes for today's episode right here: https://www.95network.org/blog/derwin-gray-55Join us for the Stalled National Conference on November 17: https://www.95network.org/national-stalled-conferenceSupport the show (http://www.95network.org/donate)