Monica Bailey
7 months ago
Explosive, what an awesome interview, I've got include Newman on my wish list of books
There is an error at 1.21.21: Dr Newman accidentally says "Kondrashev" (the ex-KGB luminary who spoke to Bagley in the breakfast room) when he means Vladislav Kovshuk (alias "Komarov"), who went to Washington, in 1957, along with Guk and Kislov, to meet Bruce Solie (with Ellis Smith as a distraction). Note that Guk and Kislov were also with Nosenko in Geneva. I think that Dr Newman makes that mis-speaking error once more, later in the interview. He also makes a brief reference to Bruce Solie and the disastrous 1975 Nick Shadrin (Artamonov) affair, which, according to Kalugin, resulted in Shadrin's kidnap and accidental death as the KGB attempted to haul him from Vienna over the Czech border. Bruce Solie was responsible for Shadrin's "security" during this project. I would be interested to know how Solie was recruited. The story of the Cambridge posh boys is well-known, but Solie was a different animal. Bagley seems to have regarded him as an apple-cheeked son of the soil. Appendix 1, available on Dr Newman’s website, is “travel records relevant to the thesis of Dr. Newman’s latest work”. The recent establishment attempts to spike the book show that the Agency has failed to understand the Streisand Effect. They claimed that Appendix 1, the travel documentation, was "illegible". This is not the case. There is some blurring, but it is clear enough. (previous comment replaced for clarity and spelling)
(Reply to Thomas Graves) Thanks. I have noted the spelling. I can’t amend the post in question but I might delete and replace. I should probably stop typing in the dark.
I am reading through Dr Newman’s book at the moment, in a disjointed manner.
I had noted his comments on Angleton and the “father figure” complex. Angleton also had an ongoing correspondence with T. S. Eliot, whose entire poetical output was a Dante-influenced existential lament, and I am sure that there was some synergy between these two individuals. I am told that Angleton’s correspondence with Ezra Pound is available somewhere. I would be very interested to see the Eliot correspondence. Angleton was asked in an ITV interview, after his resignation, to justify his methods, and his curt reply was: “Survival.”
So Bagley was quite outspoken on the subject of Solie? Interesting.
I had not fully understood Dr Newman’s comment about Edward Ellis Smith and the movie houses (in the video), but I get it now.
Kalugin is certainly not to be taken at face value.
Reply to Peter Dixon regarding Professor John M. Newman's interview:
1) You are correct that Professor Newman misidentifies Kovshuk as "Kondrashev" twice in the podcast.
2) According to Bagley's book, "Spy Wars," Kovshuk's fake name was Vladislav Komarov, not Komorov.
3) According to the same book, Bagley not only didn't admire Solie but actually despised him for having "cleared" Nosenko and "lost" Artamonov, etc.
4) Newman says Solie replaced Kim Philby as Angleton's father figure and mentor around 1957, so if anybody it was Angleton, not Pete Bagley, who regarded Solie as an "apple-cheeked son of the soil."
5) Regarding Oleg Kalugin, I wouldn't believe anything he says. In this instance he may be lying when he says Artamonov (note spelling) was accidentally killed.
6) Iirc, Newman says in his new book that Edward Ellis Smith reconnoitered movie houses in Washington for Kovshuk, Guk, Kislov so they could meet secretly with Solie.
Fwiw, I'm glad that you and I seem to share a common interest in these things.
-- Thomas Graves
Drop-D Podcast Productions.
1 year ago
Sure Jerry. Forward your email to quickhitsjfk@gmail.com
Hi Doug, Just watched you and Rob on an episode of Out of the Blank. You mentioned an interview with Roy Hargraves. I would be interested in reading it and would appreciate it if you would be kind enough to email me a copy of the pdf if I forward you my email address please? Great info and discussion on your podcasts, I mainly listen to old posts through The Lone Gunman on YouTube trying to catch up to the new current stuff. Many thanks, Jerry.
People need to learn more CIA names than just the default one, James Jesus Angleton. You'll learn many if you read John Newman's books.
Who is trying to suppress this book? New idiots at the CIA who don't know shit and only want to protect "their CIA" because they're working there now. Pathetic.
Nice one, getting John Newman. Eagerly awaiting the new book. Curious about the suppression of this book. I recall the story of the suppression of his first book "JFK & Vietnam" by Warner Bros. books. John fought a long battle to get his book and all the rights to it back, 25 years!
