Josh and Dr. Chris Kunkle deep-dive Keyes's patterns, behaviors, tells, and other psych factors that could be key to identifying his victims and other crimes; including a look at the NAMUS-44 (with updates), Keyes's yawns and laughing, Drano, Kunkle's take on "taking people," and a well-known disappearance Josh should take a second look at.

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Written, produced, and hosted by Josh Hallmark
Featuring: Dr. Christopher Kunkle

Music by: William Hellfire, Lee Rosevere, Puddle of Infinity, Sergey Cheremisinov, and All These Places

Patreon producers: Alexa Horn, Amy Basil, Casey Jensen-Richardson, Chelsea Collings, Christina Sisson, Dana Keith, Drew Vipond, Hallie Reed, Harrison Bequette, Jennifer, Jessica Alihodzic, Jillian Natale, John O’Leary, Kimberly K, Lauren F, Maegan, Meggan Capps-Seawel, Shannon Foster, Shelly Brewer, Tanya Silva, Tuesdi Woodworth, Zack Ignatowicz Warren, and Lydia Fiedler