For the 128th episode of The Scottish Independence Podcast, I went to Wee Ginger Dug Mansions to speak with the writer that also happens to live there, Paul Kavanagh.

Paul has been one of the most insightful, strident and funniest people writing about the Scottish Independence debate for a number of years. He started this at his blog but now writes for The National newspaper and in other places too.

We talked about why Paul thinks that even in this moment of general stramash, the time to start campaigning is now.

Paul lived in Spain for a number of years and has some knowledge of the political situation there and explained why Spain, contrary to the reports we hear, will not stop an Independent Scotland entering the EU, and is in fact making conciliatory noises about it.

We also got onto how and when Indyref 2 is going to arrive.

All that and more, hope you enjoy.

As a final aside, this episode also features a new quiet voice form introduction, given that at the moment of recording it (10 minutes ago), I am/was staying with a friend and I didn't want to wake his kids up.