In Episode 31 Dr. Ng-A-Fook interviews Dr. Michael Cappello, an Associate Professor at the University of Regina. Dr. Cappello draws on educational core studies and anti-oppressive education to share his insights on people’s diverse lived experiences with the COVID-19 Pandemic, in relation to Treaty 4, and “It’s ok to be (Against) White(ness).” We discussed some of the following issues: neoliberal politics and economics of a pandemic, global inequities accessing COVID-19 vaccines, a settler colonial worldview and ideologies of capitalism, race and racisms, racialized systems of advantage, whiteness and its systemic inclusive privileges, unsettling stories of dominance, reimagining citizenship and restorying (restoring) our treaty relations, intergenerational impacts of the Indian Residential Schooling system, legacy of state sponsored policing, troubling token land acknowledgements, Federal election, and so much more.