Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg and I talked about her latest book On Repentance and Repair: Making Amends in An Unapologetic World. We discussed how apologies without real change will continue to damage all involved, how the current U.S. justice system's punitive approach does nothing to help victims of wrong-doing, and why we need to be tenacious and hold onto hope to bring about real change in the world.

You can find Danya at https://danyaruttenberg.net/ and on social media at @TheRaDR (Twitter) and @rabbidanyaruttenberg (Instagram)