Police Reform In Our Trying Times with Norm Stamper. Social media has been on teeming with videos of police officers using rubber bullets, flashbangs and smoke bombs against, not always, but mostly peaceful protestors. Today we sit down with Norm and talk about how we can avoid this type of situation in the future. As well as his tenured career dealing with this while he himself was an active police officer. Norm was a police officer for 34 years, the first 28 in San Diego, the last six (1994-2000) as Seattle’s Chief of Police. He earned his Ph.D. in Leadership and Human Behavior and is the author of two books: To Protect and Serve: How to Fix America’s Police (2016) and Breaking Rank: A Top Cop’s Exposé of the Dark Side of American Policing (2005).