You've mentioned that that when you're on the board of education that you guys planned the the new Logan was Logan always the second high school in LaCrosse Cross was there.

So there's always Central and always Logan.

Well through the first period years only central when there is virtually nothing to do on a site that's very early then is interstate grew. Then Logan was built in the location of Logan middle school now.

So I'm a little kid when they moved from where the middle school currently is to the high school where the high school is now. You were part of that in the planning right.

I was the head of the planning and I I had two principal factors one of them we are going to build a school that wasn't fancy Schmalensee or anything but a place where young people would want to be during their day. So we made it a user friendly and sent the new central that was built a number of years before they had was frankly not built very user friendly.

Now when you say new central are you talking about we're Wygant Park is now our worst central is now central is now OK.

Now they have redone the new Central and made it a much more user friendly space but it used to be confusing to get around so. So we said okay we're going to build high school students want to be in and be a part of and that was part of it. And the other thing is this is a river city and we have no indoor swimming pools to speak of. Other than the one in the old YMCA which was just a small one and you had to go in bare naked to go in that really what was at all because you had to take a good shower and go in because they didn't have the cleaning mechanisms in the pool everything. And they didn't have dirty clothes going into the pool. I belong to my wife for a while and the other interesting thing when I was still I think a sophomore and I was hanging out with the wall and a director of the Y came up one day and he said Bill how would you like to be a counselor at Camp Renfield which toasties was the YMCA camp. Right. So I was accepted as a usable adult at a very young age right and enjoyed it. And I would give the guy his name but a person that still sees me and says or you did it. Well he has to do is take the campers on a hike in the woods. And they are always afraid of a bear or something says guys do it. We're going to have a little fun. So I had it when they got close.

I came out and scream yell and they almost fell into the woods.

Anyway you'd mentioned to that when once Logan was being built that you had to bring a bunch of earth into there. We are not a great deal because it was a.

Very thin muck layer which was easy to scrape off. And then it was virgin sand underneath that. So all we had to do is bring in enough to raise it about 20 feet. And we put it in and did what's called engineered compacted fill. So that because we are obviously working to build a basement it because he got down to the ground water pretty pretty soon there and then build it right on that. Same base and we got it by digging Kramersville. There is no longer a Kramersville you know the cemetery is still there and you know we don't know the street but they they're all behind it. No buildings Kwik trip and others have taken the land over there. What used to be where Logan is currently sitting foundry that's why all of the sand was taken up behind it because all of the same. It was a fairly good size and heavy use foundry and the sand is all just dumped on. And over the years it just compacted down. So we just had to tear the foundry out of there which of course had no basement either and prepare or seitan build as we would say the new low in the five we think they did do a few add ons to it since then. But it's still in good shape.

As a place where students want to be any any story you want to tell today.

Well what the story is that could tell you that infects the way that North Side in the 40s and 50s is across \concrete and they make the big pipes for sewers and stuff huge and that whole area now where Crole is. But it was much bigger and the real road workers were called Gandy dancers because all the track and rail stuff is all done by hand and they'd bring them in and he would go up and down the track and do reappear. Well those Gandy dancers would sleep in those big six foot concrete things. And at night they make their way into the neighborhoods and particularly mine because there was a liquor store or my dad's grocery store bought for Tavern's within two blocks. It was a small community there and numerous times when we'd be running around outside at night. We'd run out to the alley and shake out a Gandy dancers or 2 sleeping in our bushes. Nobody got excited about it.

We didn't know we called the cops or anything. You have any stories about them per se. Well you knowshaking them out of the bushes and.

Never because what they would do is work hard all day and sledgehammers and you name it you know fixing the ties quote. And namely to back him and all that. So they. Would come to the Near North Side which George Street. We're pretty close to the real truth there instead of read really into them very quickly.

What were the boundaries of the north side. Because you just mentioned near north side and we talked the other day when we were on the other day you mentioned northern Northside and Southern North. What were kind of the boundaries of everything.

The nor the north side kind of ended around the old Roosevelt school a little beyond it because everything else above there just wasn't the only thing there was was George Street that headed into Onalaska and he had to go over the railroad tracks again and all that sort of thing. But the lower north side there are more Caledonia's street. Like Clinton Street down to the the Milwaukee Road I have to call it evil and stuff and the tracks and a little bit beyond them because again there wasn't much monitor Street was in there. But you know that's all the buildings and you see that none of them are any more than 30 years old.