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This week Beth and Wendy discuss the case of Tony Ables, a black man in St Petersburg, Florida, who was convicted of two murders and connected via DNA to two others.

We dive into the setting (14:54), the killers early life (35:05) and the timeline (37:08).  Then, we get into the investigation & arrest (43:47), "Where are they now?" (53:38) followed by our takeaways and what we think made the perp snap (56:57).  

As usual we close out the show with some tips on how not to get murdered and our shout outs (01:00:27). 

Researched and scripted by Minnie Williams.

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Footnotes

Articles/Websites

Wikipedia contributors. (01/18/2022). Tony Ables. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 02/02/2022 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Ables

Raghunathan, A. (12/06/2006). Police say DNA solves 2 murders. Tampa Bay Times. Retrieved 02/02/2022 from https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2006/12/06/police-say-dna-solves-2-murders/

Tampa Bay Times. (02/18/1987). Kisor, Deborah D. Retrieved 02/02/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/clip/43532361/obituary-for-deborah-d-kisor-aged-31/

Rodgers, W. (06/06/1990). Beating death called domestic violence. Tampa Bay Times. Retrieved 02/02/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/image/322377901/?terms=%22Tony%20Abels%22%20tampa&match=1

Tampa Bay Times. (06/06/1990). Roommate charged in woman’s death. Retrieved 02/02/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/image/337944239/?terms=%22Tony%20Abels%22%20tampa&match=1

Tampa Bay Times. (06/06/1990). Woman, 48, beaten to death. Retrieved 02/02/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/image/337944157/?terms=%22Tony%20Abels%22%20st%20petersburg&match=1

Tampa Bay Times. (01/13/1971). Grand Jury shuns probe request. Retrieved 02/02/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/clip/56388463/tony-ables-indicted/

Tampa Bay Times. (01/15/1971). Groce. Retrieved 02/02/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/clip/56388793/obituary-for-thornton-groce/

St. Petersburg Times. (12/21/1970). Boy 15, is arrested in fatal-shooting case. Retrieved 02/03/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/image/317116876/?terms=%22Thornton%20Groce%22&match=1

The Tampa Tribune. (03/20/1971). Youth gets life for murder. Retrieved 02/03/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/image/331902371/?terms=%22Thornton%20Groce%22&match=1

Richardson, Lynda. ( 06/27/1983). Slaying at retirement hotel unnerves elderly tenants. Retrieved 02/03/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/image/320316468/?terms=%22Adeline%20McLaughlin%22&match=1

Richardson, Lynda. ( 06/27/1983). Slaying from 1-B. Retrieved 02/03/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/clip/38078599/slaying-at-retirement-hotel-unnerves/

Tampa Bay Times. (02/15/1987). Passer-by finds woman’s body near park. Retrieved 02/02/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/image/321254301/?terms=%22Deborah%20Kisor%22&match=1

The Tampa Tribune. (03/02/1987). Slaying from Page 1. Retrieved 02/03/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/image/336729804

The Tampa Tribune. (05/12/1992). Arrest made in slaying. Retrieved 02/03/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/clip/38078783/arrest-made-in-slaying/

The Tampa Tribune. (03/07/1987). Man's sentence goes from death to life. Retrieved 02/04/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/clip/38079165/ans-sentence-goes-from-death-to-life/

The Orlando Sentinal. (12/07/2006). Cops: Inmate linked to 2 other killings. Retrieved 02/04/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/clip/38079667/cops-inmate-linked-to-2-other-killings/

Tampa Bay Times. (08/06/2015). ABLES, CLyde E.. Retrieved 02/04/2022 from https://www.newspapers.com/image/364478028/?terms=ABLES%2C%20Clyde%20E.&match=1

Wikipedia contributors. (11/14/2021). Charlotte Correctional Institution. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 02/04/2022 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlotte_Correctional_Institution

St. Petersburg College News. (12/10/2013). St. Petersburg College to honor educators and civic leaders Cecil B. Keene, Doug Jamerson. Retrieved 02/06/2022 from https://newsspc.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/st-petersburg-college-to-honor-educators-and-civic-leaders-cecil-b-keene-doug-jamerson/?preview=true&preview_id=5033&preview_nonce=6717515a5a

Ancestry.com. (n.d.). Arie Lee Reed in the Florida, U.S., County Marriage Records, 1823-1982. Retrieved 02/06/2022 from https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/901555296:61369

Ancestry.com. (n.d.). Adeline A Mclaughlin in the Florida, U.S., Death Index, 1877-1998. Retrieved 02/06/2022 from https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7338&h=2969311&tid=&pid=&queryId=d4fe5e44adc5f6e879677452d233fb80&usePUB=true&_phsrc=MMh27&_phstart=successSource

Ancestry.com. (n.d.). Marlene C Burns in the Florida, U.S., Death Index, 1877-1998. Retrieved 02/06/2022 from https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7338&h=4777455&tid=&pid=&queryId=f7c698758f499bb5ef7880375128621b&usePUB=true&_phsrc=MMh28&_phstart=successSource

Ancestry.com. (n.d.). Arie Lee Ables in the U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007. Retrieved 02/06/2022 from https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/43066783:60901?tid=&pid=&queryId=6d2f71ab7f06e3271db5f2d0f4ea9c76&_phsrc=MMh32&_phstart=successSource

Ancestry.com. (n.d.). Clyde Ables in the Florida, U.S., Divorce Index, 1927-2001. Retrieved 02/06/2022 from https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?dbid=8837&h=1954920&indiv=try&o_vc=Record:OtherRecord&rhSource=1732

Ancestry.com. (n.d.). Thornton Groce in the Florida, U.S., Death Index, 1877-1998. Retrieved 02/06/2022 from https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7338&h=1679244&tid=&pid=&queryId=9eb02d8ae9c48297f39cf5982bb946cd&usePUB=true&_phsrc=MMh39&_phstart=successSource

History

Wikipedia contributors. (12/29/2021). Indigenous peoples of Florida. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 02/04/2022 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_Florida

Wikipedia contributors. (01/31/2022). Florida. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 02/04/2022 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida

Wikipedia contributors. (01/01/2021). History of St. Petersburg, Florida. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 02/04/2022 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_St._Petersburg,_Florida

Wikipedia contributors. (01/17/2022). St. Petersburg, Florida. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 02/04/2022 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg,_Florida

Wikipedia contributors. (01/27/2022). African Americans in Florida. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 02/04/2022 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Americans_in_Florida

Stpete.org. (2022). A Walk Through History. Retrieved 02/04/2022 from https://www.stpete.org/residents/parks___recreation/african_american_heritage_trail.php

Wikipedia contributors. (02/04/2022). Compromise of 1877. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved 02/06/2022 from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise_of_1877

Video

Toups, Kristin. (1/21/2022). Tony Alvin Ables- Abandonment issues, Petty Theft and Murder. YouTube. Retrieved 2/27/2022 from https://youtu.be/GJWs8Z80sE8

Music

“Abyss” by Alasen: ●https://soundcloud.com/alasen●https://twitter.com/icemantrap ●https://instagram.com/icemanbass/●https://soundcloud.com/therealfrozenguy●
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“You Have The Right” by Marlene Miller. Used with permission. Find her Facebook and Instagram under SEMNCHY or marlenemiller138@gmail.com

“Death Row” by Yung Kartz https://freemusicarchive.org/music/Yung_Kartz
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“Furious Freak” by Kevin MacLeod
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